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You are definitely wrong about PL of monsters you can face. On IWBTH you can face monsters up to 846 at your level; or on normal 318. I was your level only a few weeks ago, so I do remember what it was like. Random luck happens all the time, no one always gets the worst of it. Just this last week it took me 36 turns to kill the first monster in my RE. Thirty Six. First Monster. I have to assume that you are either doing something very wrong or have terrible gear to struggle so much.

Something is very hinkey with the browser you use.

Battletoads IW, 1st Round, Fine equip

8 5 You gain 17146 EXP!
8 4 Cerenium dropped [Exquisite Wakizashi of the Nimble]
8 3 You are Victorious!
8 2 Kosuke Ueki has been defeated

Shrined 2 Artifacts, got 3 Hath each.

Yes, I think Chrome is the way to go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Edit: Then again, maybe not.

25 7 You gain 69998 EXP!
25 6 Redbulled Chicken dropped [Fair Plate Greaves of the Fire-eater]
25 5 Ouzai Berserker Mode dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
25 4 Ruby dropped [Superior Mana Potion]
25 3 You are Victorious!

This post has been edited by xmagus: Jan 26 2013, 07:16

You are definitely wrong about PL of monsters you can face. On IWBTH you can face monsters up to 846 at your level; or on normal 318. I was your level only a few weeks ago, so I do remember what it was like. Random luck happens all the time, no one always gets the worst of it. Just this last week it took me 36 turns to kill the first monster in my RE. Thirty Six. First Monster. I have to assume that you are either doing something very wrong or have terrible gear to struggle so much.

350+ PL on hard mode? My name is not no one btw...

And eq, I tried your method. It really doesn't help I just outright die from crits. Even dropping my best spells, I got massively nuked before I could kill enough not be one turn killed. (heck one mob alone one hit me the second turn it got via skill and crit).

I think I'll stick to my method of doing things... For me, following your suggestions is no different from flipping a coin 5 or less, I can do it, more than that, I'm dead. For most people, it would work, not for me. The other person's suggestions is more in-line with my style and is pretty much what i do anyways for boss level fights. It takes longer, but it is safer.

My belief has always been if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. That belief has never failed me >.> Funny thing though is that my luck seems to depend on both the seasons and the name I am using at the time. (I use each name for about 2-3 years at a time).

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Jan 26 2013, 07:31

should be 343

This update made the iwbth lvl mod +100. In 0.72 it was +50.

should be 343

My point exactly... It should be 34x, I got something over 350. It was probably just a fluke though.

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Jan 26 2013, 07:24

Or the limit is not a hard limit but a soft one.

Or the limit is not a hard limit but a soft one.

I'm glad there is a limit at all, but that is a frightening thought. Cus if there is no hard limit, then....

I'm going to fight a 1k+ PL monster in a few minutes, just you watch =_=

96 4 You are Victorious!

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) HOW? Do you spend turns meleeing, or debuffing every monster, or what?

Wait, you do.

Spark is your shield. As long as spark is up, you cannot die.
T3 is your sword.

Anyhow, holy maging isn't that bad yet at your level, as you don't face the worst of them. But....Elemental is superior for same cost until you start reaching the edge of it's capacity, as in 50% more damage for less than half the cost(though, focus only on 1 element as well here). At your level, you don't even get the short cycle explosion boost or strong cure EDB boost. But you shouldn't losing so hard even if you wore arcanist battlecaster or sth.

350+ for hard seems right....

xmagus: Not really, as you'd lose the EDB boost and thus explosion damage. In fact, depending on situation it can benefit more to leave the proc in place for debuffing.

IWBTH FSM as a mage if I want to use ET I end up spending more turns hiting it with my staff trying to get ET lvl2 and even then I cant get ET lvl 2 reliably....
If the proc chance for ET was 100% for hitting a monster it may work but as it is now it takes far too much micromanaging to get ET lvl 2 reliably, and its even harder to get it in normal rounds because we have to deal with both evade and parry, not to mention we cant exactly start whacking a monster with our stick when there a number of monsters left.
I like the way ET works now by us not having to keep the monster alive, but I think it still needs some work.

What are you ETing IWBTH FSM for? He just doesn't have enough HP to make that necessary, a mostly full rack of Godly Mana is plenty (I use 6-8 now to kill him, would use a few more if I didn't throw Infusions in), and I'm throwing Cold at him, not Holy.

He shifts from FSM to grinding while complaining about ET. I don't really think he as that much of an issue mowing down IWBTH FSM at lvl 300+.

My point exactly... It should be 34x, I got something over 350. It was probably just a fluke though.

I'm thinking that maybe it's PL increased during battle. Not the most likely thing but more plausible then the system choosing a monster over the PL cap.

You mean like after i started the battle, the owner fed it a bunch of crystals? I guess that makes sense then.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) HOW? Do you spend turns meleeing, or debuffing every monster, or what?

Wait, you do.

Spark is your shield. As long as spark is up, you cannot die.
T3 is your sword.

Anyhow, holy maging isn't that bad yet at your level, as you don't face the worst of them. But....Elemental is superior for same cost until you start reaching the edge of it's capacity, as in 50% more damage for less than half the cost(though, focus only on 1 element as well here). At your level, you don't even get the short cycle explosion boost or strong cure EDB boost. But you shouldn't losing so hard even if you wore arcanist battlecaster or sth.

350+ for hard seems right....

xmagus: Not really, as you'd lose the EDB boost and thus explosion damage. In fact, depending on situation it can benefit more to leave the proc in place for debuffing.

140 285 285 309

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Monster...s._Player_Level . I fought it when I was around 140-143. Even in heroic, it would've been capped at around 333 according to that table.


As i mentioned though, cure 1 is generally enough to full cure me. Almost all my gear helps my cure/divine/supportive magic. The problem is when a bunch of mobs are resist divine which happens quite often with how many mechanoids there are. I can switch to thunder but then I end up fighting a bunch of elementals and such.


As for cannot die... Spark procs from first monster doing a skill crit. 2nd to 9th monster all crit or skill crit... I think I'm dead.


Frankly, I'm just going to bide my time until I hit 150. Things will get easier then.

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Jan 26 2013, 08:34

What are you ETing IWBTH FSM for? He just doesn't have enough HP to make that necessary, a mostly full rack of Godly Mana is plenty (I use 6-8 now to kill him, would use a few more if I didn't throw Infusions in), and I'm throwing Cold at him, not Holy.

I can kill him with only a few mana pots with my holy set, the point I was making though is that it is hard to get ET lvl 2 reliably, I used to be able to do FSM without having to use pots and I only needed to whack it every now and then and I would be able to recover enough, now there is no point in using ET as I will spend more turns hitting it to try to proc ET lvl2.

MikukoAya: You take 0 damage the turn spark procs.

MikukoAya: You take 0 damage the turn spark procs.

Ah, so THAT is why I haven't been one hit the same turn yet. I was totally expecting to die if the later monsters hit me so I've been trying to drop numbers before it proc'ed. Well, guess I should start stocking up on SP tanks then...

(No, seriously, I've been playing with the expectation that if all 9 monsters are alive when it procs, I'll die)\


0_O Right after I post that, I get dropped to 1 hp.


Wait, what?:
1 18 Galio hits you for 741 crushing damage.
1 17 You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
1 16 Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
1 15 Gonzales hits you for 768 crushing damage.
1 14 Aka Haniwa hits you for 560 fire damage.
1 13 Fauna hits you for 618 crushing damage.
1 12 Sona Maven Of The Strings hits you for 934 slashing damage.


Today was the first time i used soul spells specifically for the sp recovery... and thank goodness for that recovery...

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Jan 26 2013, 09:35

Can you post the battle log of IWBTH random encounter for you?

Meh, only 5 monsters, but haven't done one in ages:

11 12 You gain 151 Credits!
11 11 You gain 822315 EXP!
11 10 Ouzai Berserker Mode dropped [Godly Mana Potion]
11 9 Ragingheart Exelion dropped [Godly Health Potion]
11 8 Elizabeth dropped [Superior Oak Staff of Focus]
11 7 Typist dropped [Fine Kevlar Gauntlets of Protection]
11 6 Tomoko Kuroki dropped [6x Crystal of Frost]
11 5 You are Victorious!
11 4 The effect Cloak of the Fallen has expired.
11 3 Ragingheart Exelion has been defeated.
11 2 Flames of Loki hits Ragingheart Exelion for 49953 fire damage.
11 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
10 3 You evade the attack from Ragingheart Exelion.
10 2 Flames of Loki hits Ragingheart Exelion for 45501 fire damage.
10 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
9 2 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Imperiled.
9 1 You cast Imperil.
8 7 You evade the attack from Ragingheart Exelion.
8 6 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Searing Skin.
8 5 Flames of Loki blasts Ragingheart Exelion for 7357 fire damage.
8 4 Elizabeth has been defeated.
8 3 Flames of Loki hits Elizabeth for 78131 fire damage.
8 2 You cast Flames of Loki.
8 1 You gain 0.03 points of elemental magic proficiency.
7 3 You evade the attack from Elizabeth.
7 2 Elizabeth gains the effect Imperiled.
7 1 You cast Imperil.
6 13 You gain the effect Spark of Life.
6 12 Ragingheart Exelion hits you for 1109 piercing damage.
6 11 You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
6 10 Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
6 9 Ouzai Berserker Mode has been defeated.
6 8 Flames of Loki blasts Ouzai Berserker Mode for 34093 fire damage.
6 7 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Searing Skin.
6 6 Flames of Loki hits Ragingheart Exelion for 4286 fire damage.
6 5 Elizabeth gains the effect Searing Skin.
6 4 Flames of Loki hits Elizabeth for 24944 fire damage.
6 3 Typist has been defeated.
6 2 Flames of Loki blasts Typist for 28302 fire damage.
6 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
5 10 Typist is agitated!
5 9 Elizabeth hits you for 1640 piercing damage.
5 8 Ouzai Berserker Mode resists your spell.
5 7 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Coalesced Mana.
5 6 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Searing Skin.
5 5 Flames of Loki hits Ragingheart Exelion for 5000 fire damage.
5 4 Elizabeth resists your spell.
5 3 Typist gains the effect Searing Skin.
5 2 Flames of Loki hits Typist for 21949 fire damage.
5 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
4 20 You gain the effect Spark of Life.
4 19 Ouzai Berserker Mode is agitated!
4 18 Ouzai Berserker Mode crits you for 1719 crushing damage.
4 17 You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
4 16 Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
4 15 You parry the attack from Typist.
4 14 Ragingheart Exelion hits you for 1282 piercing damage.
4 13 Elizabeth hits you for 1140 piercing damage.
4 12 Ouzai Berserker Mode gains the effect Searing Skin.
4 11 Flames of Loki blasts Ouzai Berserker Mode for 57668 fire damage.
4 10 Ragingheart Exelion gains the effect Searing Skin.
4 9 Flames of Loki blasts Ragingheart Exelion for 11142 fire damage.
4 8 Elizabeth gains the effect Coalesced Mana.
4 7 Elizabeth gains the effect Searing Skin.
4 6 Flames of Loki hits Elizabeth for 22996 fire damage.
4 5 Typist gains the effect Searing Skin.
4 4 Flames of Loki hits Typist for 28302 fire damage.
4 3 Tomoko Kuroki has been defeated.
4 2 Flames of Loki hits Tomoko Kuroki for 55863 fire damage.
4 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
3 20 You gain the effect Spark of Life.
3 19 You evade the attack from Ouzai Berserker Mode.
3 18 You evade the attack from Typist.
3 17 Ragingheart Exelion hits you for 5806 piercing damage.
3 16 You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
3 15 Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
3 14 Tomoko Kuroki misses the attack against you.
3 13 Elizabeth hits you for 4109 piercing damage.
3 12 You gain the effect Channeling.
3 11 Ouzai Berserker Mode gains the effect Searing Skin.
3 10 Flames of Loki hits Ouzai Berserker Mode for 49810 fire damage.
3 9 Ragingheart Exelion resists your spell.
3 8 Elizabeth gains the effect Coalesced Mana.
3 7 Elizabeth gains the effect Searing Skin.
3 6 Flames of Loki hits Elizabeth for 11173 fire damage.
3 5 Typist gains the effect Searing Skin.
3 4 Flames of Loki hits Typist for 21371 fire damage.
3 3 Tomoko Kuroki gains the effect Searing Skin.
3 2 Flames of Loki blasts Tomoko Kuroki for 30020 fire damage.
3 1 You cast Flames of Loki.
2 2 Ouzai Berserker Mode gains the effect Imperiled.
2 1 You cast Imperil.
1 3 You gain the effect Arcane Focus.
1 2 You cast Arcane Focus.
1 1 You gain 0.01 points of supportive magic proficiency.
0 8 You gain the effect Hastened.
0 7 You gain the effect Spark of Life.
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=35991 (Ouzai Berserker Mode) LV=209 HP=113180
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=50253 (Ragingheart Exelion) LV=209 HP=108980
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=14942 (Elizabeth) LV=209 HP=102680
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=5315 (Typist) LV=210 HP=72106
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=40600 (Tomoko Kuroki) LV=210 HP=62114
0 1 Initializing random encounter ...
0 0 Battle Start!

Or, shorter notation(can we have collapsible quotes/spoilers?):
AF->Imperil ouzai->Loki Ouzai *spark* *channel*->Kill Tomoko(didn't know she was weak to fire)-> Loki typist->Loki Elizabeth, kill Typist, ouzai->Imperil Elizabeth->Kill Elizabeth->Imperil Ragingheart->Loki Ragingheart->Kill Ragingheart.

Same procedures would apply for more mobs, though if I happened upon this in one of the shorter arenas I'd use shadow veil, scroll of swiftness, godly pot/regen II and cure as necessary too to save spirit, but even so wastefully I only gained cloak 3 times.

This post has been edited by Lement: Jan 26 2013, 10:00

Can you post the battle log of IWBTH random encounter for you?

I might actually if I do anymore. I'm sticking to my method though if I do. EVERY time I've attempted EQ's method, the enemy really hammer me to death. Even the one time I ended up with 5 was a pain. As I've said before, the more I prevent the worst case from happening, the better I can focus what bad thing happens into something that won't hurt me as much.

As for why not do IWBTH randoms as mage: You'll get briefly stronger with new abilities, yes, but you'll get eventually weaker as a mage while leveling, so enjoying it while it lasts is good idea.

Wait, what?:
1 18 Galio hits you for 741 crushing damage.
1 17 You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
1 16 Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
1 15 Gonzales hits you for 768 crushing damage.
1 14 Aka Haniwa hits you for 560 fire damage.
1 13 Fauna hits you for 618 crushing damage.
1 12 Sona Maven Of The Strings hits you for 934 slashing damage.

The damage is in the battle log, but your HP is fixed at 30% for maxed spark on the turn that it triggers, so you cannot die the same turn.