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50 Evade, 26 Parry, 57-58 PMI.

You pretty much have the same Evade, Parry and PMI you'd have if you were a Shade user at level 313. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I don't know if that's good or bad though... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I did T&T on IWBTH using my current set, with infusion. No problems. Also did IW run on Magnificent Ethereal Estoc of the Banshee (195 rounds) on BT, same terms. Slightly harder than before (I were forced to use SV from round 120 or so instead of 150-160 as before), but tolerable. Spent 1 Godly Mana and 3 Godly Spirit in total.

Well, you've got the Battlecaster Estoc on your side for mana consumption (maybe that's what you have to do now? I have one just like yours that I can level up) and I'm sure that helps at 20% savings. I primarily do Arenas I can clear quickly and IW to try to level up stuff with some exceptions.

So I disagree: Light was raped more than Heavy, but still can be used. But yeah, monsters hit harder (because of PMI assape) and more often than before (because of proc assrape). It'd be nice to get our PMI/MMI back tbh.

Well, Protection Kevlar should be much better than it is now...I have never messed much with Fleet Shade due to the interference (used Arcanist instead which really helped back when a former patch messed with B/I) so does the lead one to believe that the only important concetration to succeed now is Evade instead of mitigating dmg?

- JC

This post has been edited by jcullinane: Jan 22 2013, 19:54

Just out of curiosity, what were your important stats (PMI/evade/damage) when you did this? Were you using the estoc or a mace?

Weapon: Exquisite Ethereal Estoc of the Battlecaster + Infusion of Divinity + Aether Shard (for IW)

Physical Attack
4184.2 base damage
137.5 % hit chance
48.5 % crit chance

86 % mana cost (reduced from 96% by Aether Shard on weapon)

Damage Mitigation
69.5 % physical
57.2 % magical

Avoidance
32.5 % evade
0 % block
35.9 % parry
62.1 % resist

Were you using the estoc or a mace?

using a mace

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Well, you've got the Battlecaster Estoc on your side for mana consumption (maybe that's what you have to do now? I have one just like yours that I can level up) and I'm sure that helps at 20% savings. I primarily do Arenas I can clear quickly and IW to try to level up stuff with some exceptions.

Yeah, a good BC Eth Estoc can do miracles. Especially with Aether Shard on it, but tbh you won't even need it, except IW runs, and even then it's not strictly required.

Well, Protection Kevlar should be much better than it is now...I have never messed much with Fleet Shade due to the interference (used Arcanist instead which really helped back when a former patch messed with B/I) so does the lead one to believe that the only important concetration to succeed now is Evade instead of mitigating dmg?

I think one (good) piece of Fleet Shade in Protection Kevlar set is enough to get decent Evade without losing too much PMI and gaining too much Interference. Arcanist isn't good for that.

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Jan 22 2013, 20:11

I've been maging for the last few days and it is now better than melee in every respect.

Mage was already better than melee for:
-Quantity of artefacts/equipment/item drops per minute
-EXP per minute
-Doing daily arenas in the shortest time possible

The only benefit melee had was survivability, which was useful for staying on the high crystal multiplier. That one benefit has now been lost following the changes to shards and physical mitigation, and melee is now worse for crystals per minute. Melee has no redeeming features whatsoever.

Tenboro knew that mage was better, and he's repeatedly posted how there are more mages than all other styles combined, so why he's decided to nerf melee so severely is beyond me. It makes absolutely no sense, but I suppose that's par for the course.

Anyway, I'm looking to rent a Heimdall set for 200K per day in the longer term.

I'll sell my melee equipment to pay the rental fee since it's now not much use. I just hope I can get at least half what I invested in it.

I've been maging for the last few days and it is now better than melee in every respect.

Mage was already better than melee for:
-Quantity of artefacts/equipment/item drops per minute
-EXP per minute
-Doing daily arenas in the shortest time possible

The only benefit melee had was survivability, which was useful for staying on the high crystal multiplier. That one benefit has now been lost following the changes to shards and physical mitigation, and melee is now worse for crystals per minute. Melee has no redeeming features whatsoever.

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Care to explain why you've highlighted random things in red and posted a picture of a robot?

I think Spark used to trigger like once or twice per marathon for me. It wasn't really needed before this patch. I might have to consider doing that given the overall PMI decrease. (I think I had 58 PMI before the patch, now it's 49)

It trigger for as long as you got 50% or more of your base Spirit available, making it a decent safety net for limited sticky situations. If you need to have it trigger more, you either need to recover the Spirit or invest 17 Ability Points into Spirit Tank for each extra trigger.

Thanks!
Looks like the evade&resist actually help quite a bit. I've got ~1k more damage and 1.5% more mit and found IWBTH arenas rather.. annoying. Guess some sharding wouldn't hurt, heh.
Wonder how well BC vs. illithid performs though, can't say I run into mana issues with mine, even with 151% mana cost.
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I've been maging for the last few days and it is now better than melee in every respect.

What difficulty was all that on? If IWBTH, how good was the gear you were using?

This post has been edited by Temchy: Jan 22 2013, 21:31

Rei-Tenshi: that's interesting, I always tend to keep spark on IA since I don't really hurt for mana and it saves my neck in the few rare situations where RNG works against me or when I don't feel like casting cure. Or feel masochistic by opening with regen II.

Prince:

Quantity of pots? Yay
Quantity of equipment? Quality matters.
Quantity of Artifacts - indeed.
Quantity of crystals - indeed.

But while the current patch does mean that melee won't be able to go quite as deep inside gf as before due the way damage increases in there it isn't really that much more shallow, depending on how one's equipment were set up. Meanwhile, the tier changes hurt mage far more when it comes to equipment. I believe that in general giving up half? crystals to get half BT equipment drops is pretty darn good trade, especially since that some equipment just isn't sold. Finally, END change hurts mages too since they got most mit there, it is just that they are less dependent on soaking and more on facemelting and evading.

This post has been edited by Lement: Jan 22 2013, 21:25

I'm starting to get really swayed by Evil Scorpio's anti-damagewanker philosophy here.

Now if only I hadn't spent all my money on scavenger so I could totally copy his build.

Care to explain why you've highlighted random things in red and posted a picture of a robot?

He wants to portray people who try to use their play time effectively as mindless robots.

It may appear a bit silly coming from a hardcore must-play-the-most-robotic-fighting-style-there-is melee user... but I guess he's out out of other trolling ideas.

I'm starting to get really swayed by Evil Scorpio's anti-damagewanker philosophy here.

So am I, I want a battlecaster estoc too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

He wants to portray people who try to use their play time effectively as mindless robots.

It may appear a bit silly coming from a hardcore must-play-the-most-robotic-fighting-style-there-is melee user... but I guess he's out out of other trolling ideas.

I almost laughed, but then I realized you might be serious....

Thanks!
Looks like the evade&resist actually help quite a bit. I've got ~1k more damage and 1.5% more mit and found IWBTH arenas rather.. annoying. Guess some sharding wouldn't hurt, heh.
Wonder how well BC vs. illithid performs though, can't say I run into mana issues with mine, even with 151% mana cost.

Well, I also have IA5 (use only 4 slots: SS, SoL, Haste, Protection) and Rainbow Aura. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm starting to get really swayed by Evil Scorpio's anti-damagewanker philosophy here.

Now if only I hadn't spent all my money on scavenger so I could totally copy his build.

So am I, I want a battlecaster estoc too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Since Kevlar isn't very expensive - it won't be a problem, unless you'll aim on a Legendary/Magnificent set, but even then it'll probably take just 5-15mils in total (i.e. Magnificent/Legendary Phase of Heimdall set - 40-50mils). Not sure about Legendary Shade tbh, it may be expensive. I've got my leggings as a random drop in the middle of some first page arena.

Good Ethereal Estocs of Illithid/Battlecaster are kinda rare though (I'm not a fan of elemental weapon at all), but still obtainable. I've paid 880k for mine, but it was before the 0.7.3 PA assrape. I'm pretty sure the prices will drop somewhat. Also it'd be wise to get mace and scythe of the same type(s) just in case.

He wants to portray people who try to use their play time effectively as mindless robots.

It may appear a bit silly coming from a hardcore must-play-the-most-robotic-fighting-style-there-is melee user... but I guess he's out out of other trolling ideas.

You got the main idea, but... "Using play time effectively"? Seriously? C'mon, it's a text-based browser game on a cartoon titty porn site, not a construction contract, for God's sake. Just play and have fun, there is no need to make it your job of something. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Jan 22 2013, 23:06

There's no need to make it your job, no, but there's challenge in trying to better how fast can you possibly go. That, and limited time for goals, whatever they may be. I certainly understand where he is coming from, even if I don't agree with arguments.

EDIT: DERP. What exactly am I arguing for, anyway?

This post has been edited by Lement: Jan 22 2013, 21:51

I almost laughed, but then I realized you might be serious....

Dead serious.

You got the main idea, but... "Using play time effectively"? Seriously? C'mon, it's a text-based browser game on a cartoon titty porn site, not a construction contract, for God's sake. Just play and have fun, there is no need to make it your job of something. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It's bad enough if you're wasting your time playing this game. What is even worse though is if you waste your time on it and don't even have anything to show for it. That's like... double waste of time.

If curative magic is now supportive magic, can I set regen to autocast?

There's no need to make it your job, no, but there's challenge in trying to better how fast can you possibly go. That, and limited time for goals, whatever they may be. I certainly understand where he is coming from, even if I don't agree with arguments.

It's bad enough if you're wasting your time playing this game. What is even worse though is if you waste your time on it and don't even have anything to show for it. That's like... double waste of time.

Umm... I'm not into cock contests. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

P.S.: I've tried to find an appropriate image, but Google takes the phrase "cock contest" too...literally. And not in a poultry way. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

P.S.: I've tried to find an appropriate image, but Google takes the phrase "cock contest" too...literally. And not in a poultry way. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Does it show a bunch of pistols with their hammers back?

Does it show a bunch of pistols with their hammers back?

Try it yourself with a Google Safe Filter off. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)