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Well, you can take a close look at the following list of the best estocs that at least I know exists;

Legendary Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Tempestuous Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Shocking Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Arctic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Shocking Estoc of Slaughter

When all of the above had no upgrades whatsoever they've been sold for many millions each.
Now would you please point out exactly what in the Magnificent Estoc of Slaughter that I've
got makes it, as of the latest patch, worth only "maybe hundreds of thousands" ?
The only thing that I can see which makes mine worse than those in the list is
the gaping hole of a lack of some additional spell damage which is in my
experience pretty much useless in any case. Anyway, we can all be
happy your fetish for ethereal weapons has finally paid off! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

EDIT: an url corrected

Lol, it's obvious from your list that you have a prejudice against ethereals (where's ozykkk's and xtech's estocs?). And yes, I have a fetish for ethereals, mainly cause in an evade-heavy build, I can't have any burden (sorry if I don't want to put shards and infusions on equipment every time I play (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)). I'm telling you right now, if you put that estoc up for auction today, there's no fucking way it would hit seven figures. It doesn't matter that you think it's just as good as the others, the fact is, vanilla estocs aren't rare enough to fetch that high of a price.

That would be ideal huh

Well, mages always hit all monsters with each attack, don't they? ._. Melees now only hit up to 7 and only 1 of them suffers the bonus strikes.

Can we at least have the elemental strikes of 2H weapons hit all monsters and not just the one we target? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

That would be too big of a buff for 2H.

Well, mages always hit all monsters with each attack, don't they? ._. Melees now only hit up to 7 and only 1 of them suffers the bonus strikes.

Mage has to pay mana for each cast and has to deal with upgradeable resistances.

Lol, it's obvious from your list that you have a prejudice against ethereals (where's ozykkk's and xtech's estocs?). And yes, I have a fetish for ethereals, mainly cause in an evade-heavy build, I can't have any burden (sorry if I don't want to put shards and infusions on equipment every time I play (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)). I'm telling you right now, if you put that estoc up for auction today, there's no fucking way it would hit seven figures. It doesn't matter that you think it's just as good as the others, the fact is, vanilla estocs aren't rare enough to fetch that high of a price.

Well maybe I should have added I haven't followed the latest trends regarding estocs but the one's I listed are some that I've stumbled upon while I've been hanging around in the forums. I can't prove I'm right about the estoc being capable of fetching in millions because I aint gonna sell the piece of shit that turned into gold even if I got an offer for it that went beyond 2M, I'm pretty sure about that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . I dunno what others think and I may of course change my mind if you'll argue what's wrong with the one I've got as compared to similar ones that are elemental. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

That would be too big of a buff for 2H.

The elemental strike damage to all other targets could be reduced though. 75% / 50% / 25% or something.

Mage has to pay mana for each cast and has to deal with upgradeable resistances.

Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though. Agreed about spending mana, but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

This post has been edited by eleeinos: Jan 20 2013, 20:26

but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

Not any more.

Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though. Agreed about spending mana, but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

Recouping mana by baring their asses (focus) or poking the angry mobs with a stick, doesnt work to well at high difficulties, or later rounds

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jan 20 2013, 20:29

Well maybe I should have added I haven't followed the latest trends regarding estocs but the one's I listed are some that I've stumbled upon while I've been hanging around in the forums. I can't prove I'm right about the estoc being capable of fetching in millions because I aint gonna sell the piece of shit that turned into gold even if I got an offer for it that went beyond 2M, I'm pretty sure about that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . I dunno what others think and I may of course change my mind if you'll argue what's wrong with the one I've got as compared to similar ones that are elemental. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Bad news for you: Estoc got nerfed hard this patch.

Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though

So is resist.

Bad news for you: Estoc got nerfed hard this patch.

Two additional strikes doesn't sound much like nerfed to me.

So why still have infusion slot? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Update breaking the HEC script (and HV stats to some minor extent as well) is the biggest problem (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

WTB my equips' base pab numbers.

Two additional strikes doesn't sound much like nerfed to me.

Wind up on armor reduction is

Yet another piece of shit turned into gold;

Magnificent Rapier of Balance

for an outrageous sum of ONLY 18k, which I paid just a couple of minutes ago.

BWAHAHAHA!

The elemental strike damage to all other targets could be reduced though. 75% / 50% / 25% or something.
Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though. Agreed about spending mana, but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

That would require some heavy tweaking, but just looking at the changes to 2H (and PA) that doesn't really seem to be the direction Tenboro wants to go in.

How strong do you guys think the the change to stun (with monsters now unable to evade) would be if it was actually parry instead of evade?

I mean there is a way to counter evade already, while with parry you gotta be 1H...

Yet another piece of shit turned into gold;

Magnificent Rapier of Balance

for an outrageous sum of ONLY 18k, which I paid just a couple of minutes ago.

BWAHAHAHA!

nice proc (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Wind up on armor reduction is

Ain't that compensated for by the PA duration by now practically being infinite.
(Am I wrong that was not the case before?)

Two additional strikes doesn't sound much like nerfed to me.

All weapons get 2 additional strikes. But estoc got triple nerfed:
1. PA got nerfed from 100% to 33% x 3.
2. 2H got 1 less domino strike.
3. Lowered physical mitigation made estoc PA even less useful.

So is resist.

Yeah... that was Ichy's initial point and my argument was that parrying/evading are equally annoying. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)