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post Jan 20 2013, 19:15
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Jan 20 2013, 19:12) *

No, it's not, because if you apply an infusion to Ethereal weapon with elemental strike - you'll get two elemental strikes at once.


But ethereal weapon without elemental strike can still get 2 elemental strikes with 2 infusions.
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:21
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Counter-Resist on Oak/Willow, interesting but not game changing. Needs to go up to 25% or 50% to really make things interesting. As it is, assuming 10% is max from what I have seen, you will get 2.5% more hits against a mob with 20% resist.

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with 1000 casts you'd hit 800 times against the monster with 20% resist
with 1000 casts you'd hit 820 times against the monster with 20% resist if you have 10% anti resist (takes 20% to 18%)

25% anti resist would mean 6.25% more hits
50% anti resist would mean 12.5% more hits

Like when mana conservation was added, people looked at it and decided it was not really worth it, when it was added as a potency people worked hard to get it on their staffs.

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post Jan 20 2013, 19:21
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QUOTE(grumpymal @ Jan 20 2013, 16:05) *

Nope, still not interesting enough to draw me back in. Nice try, Tenboro, but you can't have my soul back yet.

I might not be enough to draw you back in, however it might be enough to push me out. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:26
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This sucks...

Pre-patch ~80/80 burden and interference to 95/106...


How the hell am I supposed to do anything now?
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:27
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Jan 20 2013, 18:30) *

I seriously doubt it's worth millions, maybe hundreds of thousands. People are still going to prefer ethereal/elemental. Although yes, the price of top of the line vanilla weapons will go up, just not as much as you're thinking.



Well, you can take a close look at the following list of the best estocs that at least I know exists;

Legendary Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Tempestuous Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Shocking Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Arctic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Shocking Estoc of Slaughter

When all of the above had no upgrades whatsoever they've been sold for many millions each.
Now would you please point out exactly what in the Magnificent Estoc of Slaughter that I've
got makes it, as of the latest patch, worth only "maybe hundreds of thousands" ?
The only thing that I can see which makes mine worse than those in the list when
they were virgins is the gaping hole of a lack of some additional spell damage which
is in my experience pretty much useless in any case. Anyway, we can all be happy your
fetish for ethereal weapons has finally paid off! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

EDIT: an url corrected
2nd EDIT: one sentence edited

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post Jan 20 2013, 19:29
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Just thinking about when should I sell my "soul".
One thing more:would now shard dropped in *1 or infusions only dropped above *2?

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post Jan 20 2013, 19:35
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Jan 20 2013, 21:13) *
Or you can just use two infusions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(chamois @ Jan 20 2013, 21:15) *
But ethereal weapon without elemental strike can still get 2 elemental strikes with 2 infusions.

Sure, but Potency Strike have no time limit. And by the way I can't get this strike by infusion. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:40
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I wonder what will happen to Soul Strike when tenb does away with Soul magic and resistance.

There is one really cool legendary astral estoc which should not be destroyed.
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:44
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Jan 20 2013, 19:21) *

I might not be enough to draw you back in, however it might be enough to push me out. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


As far as I can see your estoc seems to have the minimum possible burden and an interference that a featherweight shard wipes out completely. I'd say you were extremely lucky given that you on top of that got 2 additional strikes.
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:48
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Can we at least have the elemental strikes of 2H weapons hit all monsters and not just the one we target? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:54
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- Infusion of Gaia, Astral weapons, Soulproof armor and Priestess gear has been retired.

I'm still unclear whether soul strike is still a potency. This implies that soul strike got cut, but it doesn't really make it clear.
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post Jan 20 2013, 19:59
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jan 20 2013, 17:48) *

Can we at least have the elemental strikes of 2H weapons hit all monsters and not just the one we target? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


That would be ideal huh
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:08
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QUOTE(pentiuminside @ Jan 20 2013, 08:27) *

Well, you can take a close look at the following list of the best estocs that at least I know exists;

Legendary Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Tempestuous Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Demonic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter
Legendary Shocking Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Arctic Estoc of Slaughter
Magnificent Shocking Estoc of Slaughter

When all of the above had no upgrades whatsoever they've been sold for many millions each.
Now would you please point out exactly what in the Magnificent Estoc of Slaughter that I've
got makes it, as of the latest patch, worth only "maybe hundreds of thousands" ?
The only thing that I can see which makes mine worse than those in the list is
the gaping hole of a lack of some additional spell damage which is in my
experience pretty much useless in any case. Anyway, we can all be
happy your fetish for ethereal weapons has finally paid off! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

EDIT: an url corrected


Lol, it's obvious from your list that you have a prejudice against ethereals (where's ozykkk's and xtech's estocs?). And yes, I have a fetish for ethereals, mainly cause in an evade-heavy build, I can't have any burden (sorry if I don't want to put shards and infusions on equipment every time I play (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)). I'm telling you right now, if you put that estoc up for auction today, there's no fucking way it would hit seven figures. It doesn't matter that you think it's just as good as the others, the fact is, vanilla estocs aren't rare enough to fetch that high of a price.
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:12
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Jan 20 2013, 19:59) *

That would be ideal huh

Well, mages always hit all monsters with each attack, don't they? ._. Melees now only hit up to 7 and only 1 of them suffers the bonus strikes.
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:12
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jan 20 2013, 19:48) *

Can we at least have the elemental strikes of 2H weapons hit all monsters and not just the one we target? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)


That would be too big of a buff for 2H.
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:14
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jan 20 2013, 20:12) *

Well, mages always hit all monsters with each attack, don't they? ._. Melees now only hit up to 7 and only 1 of them suffers the bonus strikes.

Mage has to pay mana for each cast and has to deal with upgradeable resistances.
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:18
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Jan 20 2013, 20:08) *

Lol, it's obvious from your list that you have a prejudice against ethereals (where's ozykkk's and xtech's estocs?). And yes, I have a fetish for ethereals, mainly cause in an evade-heavy build, I can't have any burden (sorry if I don't want to put shards and infusions on equipment every time I play (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)). I'm telling you right now, if you put that estoc up for auction today, there's no fucking way it would hit seven figures. It doesn't matter that you think it's just as good as the others, the fact is, vanilla estocs aren't rare enough to fetch that high of a price.


Well maybe I should have added I haven't followed the latest trends regarding estocs but the one's I listed are some that I've stumbled upon while I've been hanging around in the forums. I can't prove I'm right about the estoc being capable of fetching in millions because I aint gonna sell the piece of shit that turned into gold even if I got an offer for it that went beyond 2M, I'm pretty sure about that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . I dunno what others think and I may of course change my mind if you'll argue what's wrong with the one I've got as compared to similar ones that are elemental. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:25
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QUOTE(chamois @ Jan 20 2013, 20:12) *

That would be too big of a buff for 2H.

The elemental strike damage to all other targets could be reduced though. 75% / 50% / 25% or something.


QUOTE(Ichy @ Jan 20 2013, 20:14) *

Mage has to pay mana for each cast and has to deal with upgradeable resistances.

Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though. Agreed about spending mana, but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

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post Jan 20 2013, 20:28
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jan 20 2013, 20:25) *

but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?

Not any more.
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post Jan 20 2013, 20:29
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jan 20 2013, 18:25) *

Insane parrying & evading are equally annoying though. Agreed about spending mana, but mages have a couple of ways to get a lot of that mana back, don't they?


Recouping mana by baring their asses (focus) or poking the angry mobs with a stick, doesnt work to well at high difficulties, or later rounds

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