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Feb 6 2013, 18:40
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HTTP/308
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QUOTE(eqwer @ Feb 6 2013, 23:41)  seems HTTP had turned into shadowdancer
Unless I've gone mad. Shade is simply too weak<=>inefficient compared to any heavy build. QUOTE(eqwer @ Feb 6 2013, 23:41)  higher level definitely make you stronger, all RPG characters become stronger when they have higher level, it will be very strange for any games that when a player play more time, achieve higher level, he become weaker in situation of hv, higher mages have more mana, more damage output, higher melee have higher defense, higher attacking power too Well, melee is getting slightly stronger with higher level. Mage is probably getting weaker, not sure how much. This post has been edited by HTTP/308: Feb 6 2013, 18:42
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Feb 6 2013, 20:47
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MikukoAya
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QUOTE(HTTP/308 @ Feb 6 2013, 08:40)  Unless I've gone mad. Shade is simply too weak<=>inefficient compared to any heavy build. Well, melee is getting slightly stronger with higher level. Mage is probably getting weaker, not sure how much.
Except from what I've seen thus far it is more of the mobs are getting stronger against magic rather than the mages themselves actually getting weaker.
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Feb 7 2013, 04:41
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eqwer
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QUOTE(HTTP/308 @ Feb 6 2013, 18:40)  Mage is probably getting weaker, not sure how much.
might be that start from lv340 to lv400+? for me and Lement, we still need some levels to act in full speed, without full speed hv just too hard----- trio and the tree seems impossible to achieve, iw achievements is even impossible to think, @IWBTH with Legendary item is (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 06:37
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Lement
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You get slowly weaker from 340+ without any new mobs.
You get that same slow weakening from 200+ too....Expect you also get quick weakening due stronger mobs popping up as you level too. Getting a schoolgirl arena every 20 levels isn't that big of a benefit, nor is health tank, mp tank, sp tank and magnet at 250.
Your skill however increases, as do your loot drop trainings and hath perks.
Addendum: What's up with that needless wishing for doable IWBTH? It's IWBTH, it is not supposed to be doable.
ChosenUno: that skill has to be more useful than hotkeys.
This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 7 2013, 06:38
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Feb 7 2013, 07:02
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eqwer
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 7 2013, 06:37)  You get slowly weaker from 340+ without any new mobs.
You get that same slow weakening from 200+ too....Expect you also get quick weakening due stronger mobs popping up as you level too. Getting a schoolgirl arena every 20 levels isn't that big of a benefit, nor is health tank, mp tank, sp tank and magnet at 250.
Your skill however increases, as do your loot drop trainings and hath perks.
Addendum: What's up with that needless wishing for doable IWBTH? It's IWBTH, it is not supposed to be doable.
ChosenUno: that skill has to be more useful than hotkeys.
bring a high level pal, then watch he fights, you will understand how important action speed is or very simple tests: beat trio and the tree @IWBTH without any scolls, infusions,then beat >356 legeandary item world @IWBTH with minimum focuses, if you can do those, you are not weaker than higher players, see for yourself (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 7 2013, 07:35
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Feb 7 2013, 07:08
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eqwer
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Feb 7 2013, 08:33
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Lement
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I certainly could do the 190 arena on BT without ET when I tried - but I won't be doing it again. Too time-consuming. Ditto for IWBTH, but I'd certainly need ET. Focuses? I thought you were talking about maging, melees use focus. Well, usually. Doing Legendary IW does offer far more of a challenge, I'd rather have staff with econ 5 ready - but this would be about equips then. 1 mob to ET and burn soul off every round isn't that much of a threat, just time-consuming. I'm not even going to try because I don't have the speed nor patience nor skill to chain my spells quickly enough.
For some reason, you're set on doing IWBTH IW as a mage. Why, I cannot figure out.
As for action speed, I distinctly recall high levels anguishing over getting triple-tapped when spellcasting - they have action speed capped, which benefits them as they'd otherwise get quintuple-tapped, so they get weaker. I get single-tapped - I can even eke in a T1 with swiftness scroll.
High levels do have the advantage of money. But I did better when I had all superior- equips than now when I have all mag+ equips. Forging helps this too. They get stronger in spite of levelup, not because of.
This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 7 2013, 08:34
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Feb 7 2013, 09:54
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eqwer
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 7 2013, 08:33)  I certainly could do the 190 arena on BT without ET when I tried - but I won't be doing it again. Too time-consuming. Ditto for IWBTH, but I'd certainly need ET. Focuses? I thought you were talking about maging, melees use focus. Well, usually. Doing Legendary IW does offer far more of a challenge, I'd rather have staff with econ 5 ready - but this would be about equips then. 1 mob to ET and burn soul off every round isn't that much of a threat, just time-consuming. I'm not even going to try because I don't have the speed nor patience nor skill to chain my spells quickly enough.
For some reason, you're set on doing IWBTH IW as a mage. Why, I cannot figure out.
As for action speed, I distinctly recall high levels anguishing over getting triple-tapped when spellcasting - they have action speed capped, which benefits them as they'd otherwise get quintuple-tapped, so they get weaker. I get single-tapped - I can even eke in a T1 with swiftness scroll.
High levels do have the advantage of money. But I did better when I had all superior- equips than now when I have all mag+ equips. Forging helps this too. They get stronger in spite of levelup, not because of.
if you think is the euips make the strength difference, you can borrow the better ones, then you will find you still can not achieve those challeges speed caped mages get multi-hit because they use slow spell and they are way too high from speed cap level (around lv270) i've saw a mage did trio & tree with 0 econ staff, which result me to believe no matter how good my equips are, without scrolls(caped speed) i can never beat it This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 7 2013, 09:57
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Feb 7 2013, 09:59
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ChosenUno
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As a mage, I have to focus and ET and great stam to be able to do IWBTH these days. Mobs hit so freaking hard (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 10:00
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Lement
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Yes, you understood my point with speed....So I'm unsure why do you use it alongside an argument to claim higher mages are stronger just by level.
Very well, I'll consider testing that one time. It is just that my own experience has shown me getting weaker despite improving my equips.
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Feb 7 2013, 10:06
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eqwer
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QUOTE(Lement @ Feb 7 2013, 10:00)  Yes, you understood my point with speed....So I'm unsure why do you use it alongside an argument to claim higher mages are stronger just by level.
Very well, I'll consider testing that one time. It is just that my own experience has shown me getting weaker despite improving my equips.
not just by level, but level is precondition(level limit the action speed, prof ---- regen points, buff duration, mana points) This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 7 2013, 10:09
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Feb 7 2013, 10:52
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Ichy
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QUOTE(HTTP/308 @ Feb 6 2013, 18:40)  Mage is probably getting weaker, not sure how much.
This could be fixed by adding either more MDB for Staff Prof or some sort of some sort of Anti Magic Mitigation (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 10:56
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Feb 7 2013, 15:52)  This could be fixed by adding either more MDB for Staff Prof or some sort of some sort of Anti Magic Mitigation (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Just anti-resist would do fine.
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Feb 7 2013, 11:03
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Ichy
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 7 2013, 10:56)  Just anti-resist would do fine.
He already said no to worthwhile anti Resist (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 11:15
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danixxx
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I don't see any problems with mage except on gf.
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Feb 7 2013, 11:54
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ChosenUno
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QUOTE(danixxx @ Feb 7 2013, 16:15)  I don't see any problems with mage except on gf.
Shhh (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 12:16
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Ichy
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QUOTE(danixxx @ Feb 7 2013, 11:15)  I don't see any problems with mage except on gf.
But I want to mage GF (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 7 2013, 12:22
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Zero Angel
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QUOTE(danixxx @ Feb 7 2013, 17:15)  I don't see any problems with mage
Try being an Elemental or Holy mage.
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