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45 seconds in between bids, this is bot material!!

Sigh... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And your point is?

I don't see evidence of 24/7 activity. I don't see evidence of foul play. What is your point?

From what you posted, I only see a guy that checks the hath exchange every couple of hours and managed to snatch a few great deals.

If you look at the exchange RIGHT NOW, you can see many deals with 15k as the price. Fuck, they must all be cheaters, right? Managed to snatch the deal so damn fast, right?

Feel free to outbid them, if you're so inclined.

Don't bitch and whine when someone pays effort and gets rewarded for it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Dude, let Tenbro handle this. We're not having a witch-hunt here, and we don't have the log to prove which one's botter or not.

This post has been edited by varst: Feb 6 2013, 08:27

And your point is?

I don't see evidence of 24/7 activity. I don't see evidence of foul play. What is your point?

From what you posted, I only see a guy that checks the hath exchange every couple of hours and managed to snatch a few great deals.

If you look at the exchange RIGHT NOW, you can see many deals with 15k as the price. Fuck, they must all be cheaters, right? Managed to snatch the deal so damn fast, right?

Feel free to outbid them, if you're so inclined.

Don't bitch and whine when someone pays effort and gets rewarded for it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

people can't make more than 1 bid per minute, that's botting! oh noes!!!!!

Laboq tell us when you see the entire auction sheet made on the same minute

we might actually consider taking it seriously rather than as the ramblings of being a Big Baby

This post has been edited by Bunker Buster: Feb 6 2013, 08:20

I don't see evidence of 24/7 activity.

Go wash your face.

From what you posted, I only see a guy that checks

That's your guess only.

Dude, let Tenbro hendle this. We're not having a witch-hunt here, and we don't have the log to prove which one's botter or not.

Ok, sir.

This post has been edited by Laboq: Feb 6 2013, 08:25

Go wash your face.

That's your guess only.

So what makes your guess more correct than mine? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

i'm a big baby

ok

So what makes your guess more correct than mine? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Chances. Proof isnt essential for different qualitiy of suggestions.
I´ve also noticed that he always gets a bunch of Hath for 15k really every day. Thats not a proof. Even a 24/7-activity wouldnt be a proof either because you could e.g. say, that he has a partner, who just go to the computer while the other one is sleeping . But every day of such bids increases the chances that he is a botter.
Not a proof, but its enough to ask Tenb to just checking out.

I am wondering what proof you would demand, if someone suggest to make captchas/riddlemaster on arenas. (if they werent there already). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Maybe you would also say: Stop QQ and make your own arenas.

Dude, let Tenbro handle this. We're not having a witch-hunt here, and we don't have the log to prove which one's botter or not.

^this

This post has been edited by Nottle: Feb 6 2013, 10:01

Honestly, I'm not a bot, but I'm online almost 24/7 . Why? Because if I have a good source of water to sleep in, I only need 3 hours of sleep.

That and I'm on during work (I turn off images while at work obviously)

*Stares at Big watertight container for 30 USD*

>.>

Of course, I have other things to do other than watch the hath exchange and play the HV.

Like programming (Hence second computer and cheap keyboard for second computer, spare mouse, and feet), web design for clients, etc.

"WTH are you going to do? Play the MMO with your feet?"
"WTH!?"

"You have no hands, no feet what are you going to use?"
"Well, I just disinfected this fighting stick and I have a mouth and a tongue you know."

<.<

I wasn't joking when I said I like to play HV, my ps3, online games, do homework, listen to music, and watch anime -sometimes at the same time. Quite amusing when people are surprised at how well I am healing in an MMO and I tell them that I won't be able to heal them in extra hard dungeons because I'm playing with my feet cus I'm doing homework (ironically, usually this is in situations where they don't expect to survive because of the difficulty level-often while they are relying on me being a stable healer). (If that gives away who I am to any of you, don't say anything! Just acknowledge that the 'insane healer of ***' is playing HV now.)

I don't have Katsuragi Keima's ability to move super fast (dexterity wise) unfortunately... or the money to buy like twenty different systems and have a private room to put all those systems in. I wish I had that. Imagine what I could do @_@ .



My point? If I can do that, think about what other people can do! (Almost anyone can do it if they train themselves over a course of 20+ years (I'll mentally sta* the first person that says too old) so imagine the people that are especially talented at it or who have worked even harder at it).

That reminds me... >.> I keep forgetting to do that... =_= Well, I have a nice long weekend coming up soon.

edit: lost a few words there, lol.

This post has been edited by MikukoAya: Feb 6 2013, 10:40

Even a 24/7-activity wouldnt be a proof either because you could e.g. say, that he has a partner, who just go to the computer while the other one is sleeping

[02varvara.files.wordpress.com] déjà vu (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Chances. Proof isnt essential for different qualitiy of suggestions.
I´ve also noticed that he always gets a bunch of Hath for 15k really every day. Thats not a proof. Even a 24/7-activity wouldnt be a proof either because you could e.g. say, that he has a partner, who just go to the computer while the other one is sleeping . But every day of such bids increases the chances that he is a botter.
Not a proof, but its enough to ask Tenb to just checking out.

I am wondering what proof you would demand, if someone suggest to make captchas/riddlemaster on arenas. (if they werent there already). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Maybe you would also say: Stop QQ and make your own arenas.

^this

How hard is it to check every few minutes, and bid 15k on all unbids?

I can do that, but I won't. That's not to say someone can't, or won't.

And props to him. He's figuring out a good source of income, buy low and sell higher. Good for him.

Seriously, I have not seen 1 piece of convincing argument/evidence against this guy. It all sounds like QQing to me.

Why do I know this? I've been here before and have seen hath exchange botters being banned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

How hard is it to check every few minutes, and bid 15k on all unbids?

I can do that, but I won't. That's not to say someone can't, or won't.

And props to him. He's figuring out a good source of income, buy low and sell higher. Good for him.

Seriously, I have not seen 1 piece of convincing argument/evidence against this guy. It all sounds like QQing to me.

Why do I know this? I've been here before and have seen hath exchange botters being banned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Buddy, why are you still arguing over this?

Remember the saying about people not being able to tell you and the other one apart? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Buddy, why are you still arguing over this?

Remember the saying about people not being able to tell you and the other one apart? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Cause I'm at work and I need some entertainment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

There's a reason I changed my profile picture (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How hard is it to check every few minutes, and bid 15k on all unbids?

I can do that, but I won't. That's not to say someone can't, or won't.

And props to him. He's figuring out a good source of income, buy low and sell higher. Good for him.

Seriously, I have not seen 1 piece of convincing argument/evidence against this guy. It all sounds like QQing to me.

Why do I know this? I've been here before and have seen hath exchange botters being banned (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

What if he is just another account of yours and thats why you are defending him? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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I'll agree with MikukoAya, ChosenUno, etc. here.

As for anti-cheating other than captcha: Making cheating worse option, for one?

Cute log. Not proof of cheating. I'd see that you'd have a case to monitor if it was more than 24h, every hour, in a row.....This seems fairly normal for someone who prefers to buy his hath off exchange rather than off players. Or you could rapidly sell some hath at bit under 15k and see if there's a pattern in buying them. :rolleyes:

And finally, my biggest question here: Let's assume someone(probably not this guy, but that's another story) is actually cheating by running a bot that bids on things lower than 15k to bring them up to that. Given that they're not being overbidden by you you must agree that 15k is quite fair price. Ridiculously small buyouts would be snapped up nigh-instantly, too. Exactly, why does this warrant a captcha?

While the site drain is obvious from F5ing every second, it is obvious and with what Tenboro already tracks I'd be surprised if he didn't track this.

bots are bad mkay 1H 44M ago 1 Hath 1,000 C 5,000 C 866,041 C ggxxsol

We can stop the discussion now?

Another one bites the dust!

It doesn't matter who nailed it - somebody always wants to buy haths, and would have bought them. Someone is always checking hath exchange. And somebody always sells hath still at prices from year ago. Buying hath cheapest you can isn't proof of cheating - 15k is even the market price.

It however isn't worth the time to stalk it either, but people can get bored from just killing monsters. In the end, it is just a game. If you cannot be bothered to stalk it, and can't be bothered to use that time to grind, either, that's completely ok as well...But complaining that someone is willing to do one of them - I certainly remember some of the complaining when Tenboro revealed one char obtaining millions from gf in a day - makes one just look bad. Wanting to have captcha on all deals when there's less than worthy amount of deals that are set under the market price that would be nabbed by anybody on top of that? Take a guess.

eqwer: I was IWing for cash before I unlocked Arcane Focus, you don't need to be high-level to IW - in fact, at high level it is better to gf if you have the crystarium perks, while IWing is more for those who lack them. He may be not as strong as top-line players, but that means that he won't do as well in things he could do other than IWing as well though.

high level is for general hv experince, not for iw. when you have higher level, you kill faster, riching faster, and it is neccery to have enough level for full action speed

It is just ironic that it was easier to IW at lower levels then higher huh

but lowbie can never do iw like HTTP does, finish IWBTH for 200 rounds in short time just insane for lowbies

This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 6 2013, 17:31

....Isn't HTTP a dark mage?
You get richer faster due more arenas, but it doesn't make you stronger by itself when you don't actually have any relevant abilities remaining.

I finish IWs at same difficulty twice as fast now as when I started, but I think I take sth like 50% more turns.

This post has been edited by Lement: Feb 6 2013, 17:35

....Isn't HTTP a dark mage?
You get richer faster due more arenas, but it doesn't make you stronger by itself when you don't actually have any relevant abilities remaining.

I finish IWs at same difficulty twice as fast now as when I started, but I think I take sth like 50% more turns.

seems HTTP had turned into shadowdancer


higher level definitely make you stronger, all RPG characters become stronger when they have higher level, it will be very strange for any games that when a player play more time, achieve higher level, he become weaker



in situation of hv, higher mages have more mana, more damage output, higher melee have higher defense, higher attacking power too

This post has been edited by eqwer: Feb 6 2013, 17:45