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I think there's quite a few people buying VPS plans (or dedicated boxes... whatever you call it) for hosting H@H clients.

I do have a few, but to save me time as well as getting headaches on configuration, I bought some Windows ones, which I can also use for other purposes. They are damn slow, I am not sure this is provider problem or what, but they are still projected to earn a few Hath a day, so it seems OK.

And I started to have a few questions. Given the same network connection speed...

(1) and with same CPU/RAM/Disk Space (e.g. a typical VPS with lowest configuration like 1GHz CPU, 512MB RAM, 20GB disk), would a Unix one (e.g. Ubuntu or whatever) perform better than a Windows one (i.e. Windows 2003, as anything newer should be damn slow with only 512MB RAM)?

(2) would a slightly higher configuration one (e.g. a 1.5GHz CPU/1GB RAM/50GB disk versus 1GHz CPU/512MB RAM/20GB disk, usually the 1st one is nearly double the price of the 2nd one...) have a much better performance (if price is double, would it have double performance)?

And what I mean "performance" is the amount of Hath it can generate per day.

Any ideas / thoughts? Thanks.

This post has been edited by mnching: Dec 30 2012, 13:27

Are you running the GUI and CLI version? Because the former probably isn't the best bet on 512MB, which is barely enough to run Windows.

And yes, Linux on 512MB will run circles around Windows on 512MB.

I bought some Windows ones, which I can also use for other purposes. They are damn slow, I am not sure this is provider problem or what, but they are still projected to earn a few Hath a day, so it seems OK.

Short of a 4GB VPS, that thing is going to LAG. Windows and VPSes? Not exactly a good match without TONS of RAM. Windows takes MAGNITUDES more RAM than Linux does, VPS or direct-installed. When you add that Windows Server requires GUI access, you are going to get a TON more lag.

Are you running the GUI and CLI version? Because the former probably isn't the best bet on 512MB, which is barely enough to run Windows.

And yes, Linux on 512MB will run circles around Windows on 512MB.

As The Tenboro said, Linux on 512MB... hell Linux on 256MB will run circles around windows at 512MB.


Here's a tidbit of advice for you H@H cheap-and-low-resource-VPSers out there: If you're using Windows for your VPS for H@H, YOU ARE DOING IT BLOODY WRONG!

Are you running the GUI and CLI version? Because the former probably isn't the best bet on 512MB, which is barely enough to run Windows.

And yes, Linux on 512MB will run circles around Windows on 512MB.

Oh I really haven't thought about this. All I used were the GUI one, since I started H@H with my small home server with dual-core CPU and 4GB RAM, all seemed smooth. And for the VPS ones, they seemed retardedly-slow whether there is anything running anyway...

I will now switch all to CLI and see what happens. Thanks for the post. Perhaps next time I will try the Linux boxes.

BTW just realized that javaw is such a big RAM-eater... (captured from home server)

As The Tenboro said, Linux on 512MB... hell Linux on 256MB will run circles around windows at 512MB.
Here's a tidbit of advice for you H@H cheap-and-low-resource-VPSers out there: If you're using Windows for your VPS for H@H, YOU ARE DOING IT BLOODY WRONG!

Well I guess so, but I wonder how big the difference is (in terms of Hath generated only, system utilization is not an issue). Why I go for Windows VPS first, besides the configuration, is that I have some other small programs which can only be run on Windows. But I guess the majority here is using UNIX VPS.

Wondering if there would have some statistics from guys who bought VPS to host H@H clients for reference... e.g. CPU, RAM, Network Speed, OS, and Hath per day.

This post has been edited by mnching: Dec 30 2012, 18:25

Bytesized Binge boxes give you~10 hath/day for 17$ each month.

At some point I will switch over to my own personal Server for crazy hath generation ala g just g (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
But still need to learn some more linux first before I get myself a super awesome server.

Bytesized Binge boxes give you~10 hath/day for 17$ each month.

At some point I will switch over to my own personal Server for crazy hath generation ala g just g (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
But still need to learn some more linux first before I get myself a super awesome server.

You. Find me. I'll help. Linux... is awesome. LINUX... is powerful. LINUX... WILL PREVAIL!

If you're new to LInux, might I recommend Ubuntu or Debian? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Wondering if there would have some statistics from guys who bought VPS to host H@H clients for reference... e.g. CPU, RAM, Network Speed, OS, and Hath per day.

Hath per day (I think) is determined by network speed and client utilization, and a lot of VPSes will ratelimit you the closer you get to max network speed and bandwidth, because of the host node, so...

CPU, 4 cores is decent. You can get away with 2 though.

OS, Linux. Any linux. Any linux that is at least recent.

RAM, if all you do is H@H, 512MB should be sufficient (want to leave you some space for in case H@H explodifies).


At least, that's my recommendations.

You. Find me. I'll help. Linux... is awesome. LINUX... is powerful. LINUX... WILL PREVAIL!

If you're new to LInux, might I recommend Ubuntu or Debian? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

With some help of some Users I already get it running. You can read this thread and laugh at me trying to use Linux my first time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Linux is over-rated. It's all about the Mac portable!

Seriously, I always found VPS to have issues with drive speed. They'd have a fast connection and a drive shared 10 different ways. So it was always slow. I can get H@H running with 20hath/day on a single core, 1gb ram, 100gb HDD space. but that's a fast connection. It's worth noting that even if you get a fast 10MB/s+ net connection you wont max out hath generation if you don't also have at least 80GB of drive space to fit your H@H cache one.


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Bytesized Binge boxes give you~10 hath/day for 17$ each month.

At some point I will switch over to my own personal Server for crazy hath generation ala g just g (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
But still need to learn some more linux first before I get myself a super awesome server.

Looks good, but for unlimited bandwidth I just afraid that some days later someone will come up and say "we found you are abusing our service and your account is suspended"... something like that.

For some reason I have funds on Payza which they don't have any withdraw options, so I am looking at VPS providers which offer Payza as Payment Method (not so many, most offer Credit Cards or PayPal only). The VPS I am currently using... it is just slow, I am not sure where is the bottleneck, but the reported network speed never goes over 1000KB/s (mostly around 700KB/s), and 5 Hath / Day as it reports. That's why I am asking the questions in post #1 - if the network speed is the same, I afraid that switching to Linux won't be much help. Maybe I should look for other providers.

Running it a month or 2 now. No one complained so far.

Running it a month or 2 now. No one complained so far.

Do you have the statistics on how much bandwidth is actually used?

I don't think so. Or I'm blind (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Here's the outgoing for one of my servers for some unknown time period. Nload doesn't exactly tell you how LONG it's been logging for and it resets from time to time. My guess is about 3 days. I've been sending out about terabytes of traffic a month and never had a complaint. This one is in a datacenter in Luxembourg.

Curr: 87.91 MBit/s
Avg: 96.19 MBit/s
Min: 0.00 Bit/s
Max: 194.77 MBit/s
Ttl: 21675.30 GByte

My actual guess is that I send 3.5Terabytes a day between all of my servers. I've never had a complaint as unlimited bandwidth means unlimited bandwidth.

Most of my servers are still rebuilding as a few days ago I shuffled them around as I bought new servers. As such most of the cache's are building. When done I expect 10 of them to be right at the 20/day limit with 6 more being in the 16 to 18 range. The lower end 6 are on a connection that is just as fast but only have 30GB caches.


This post has been edited by G Just G: Dec 30 2012, 20:45

Are you running the GUI and CLI version? Because the former probably isn't the best bet on 512MB, which is barely enough to run Windows.

And yes, Linux on 512MB will run circles around Windows on 512MB.

As The Tenboro said, Linux on 512MB... hell Linux on 256MB will run circles around windows at 512MB.

You. Find me. I'll help. Linux... is awesome. LINUX... is powerful. LINUX... WILL PREVAIL!

If you're new to LInux, might I recommend Ubuntu or Debian? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

OP you wanted some statistics, yeah?

On the cheapest hardware available (i.e. not a contracted server but a machine running at home, a raspberry pi for $35) a Debian GNU/Linux gets me a bit more than 3 hath/day. It does have 256 MB RAM, 166 GHz CPU and a network card with maximum of 256 MB transport speed, i.e. it's utter rubbish. But without running any GUI and no daemons apart from sshd and h@h it performs very well. Just as the Evil Phoenix said 256MB Linux run around a 512 MB Windows.

To enforce the argument, DevilEyesBob somehow manages to run h@h on a 128MB RAM Debian (that's heroic).

@G Just G
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It did I used to run a website until the fiery bird showed up... I assume you mean this one?

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Oh I really haven't thought about this. All I used were the GUI one, since I started H@H with my small home server with dual-core CPU and 4GB RAM, all seemed smooth. And for the VPS ones, they seemed retardedly-slow whether there is anything running anyway...

I will now switch all to CLI and see what happens. Thanks for the post. Perhaps next time I will try the Linux boxes.

BTW just realized that javaw is such a big RAM-eater... (captured from home server)

That seems rather strange considering mine barely take up 100MB.

Coming from FreeBSD diablo-jdk.
Something I recommend in case you need really cheap private server (since it's 98% chance you get a jailed private sever).

Also I've heard speedboxes gives good speed but of course you have to pay more (30$ minimum for about 500GB of space and 2-4GB of RAM, unlimited bandwidth).

This post has been edited by GanGun : Dec 30 2012, 23:44

BTW just realized that javaw is such a big RAM-eater... (captured from home server)

That's the virtual memory space. The actual resident memory is only a small fraction of that. (Assuming you're not running something silly like OpenVZ on pre-CentOS 6, which assumes virtual space = actual space.)

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This post has been edited by r3dd0ssal: Nov 5 2020, 10:34