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Nice! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Im glad to get the refund on Penny Pincher, as I bought the stupid thing just days before that one update that pretty much made the perk useless.

No, you are pissed off for something which makes no logical sense. This is like throwing a fit that a video game you bought on day 1 for 60 dollars is in the 15 dollar rack a year later. You don't get a refund because someone else is going to get it cheaper. You paid the asking price and benefited as advertised, and will continue to benefit.

Removing Penny Pincher means the people who had that perk can *no longer use it*. That is why they get a refund, because what they bought has been taken away.

He's angry because there are people who bought golden handshake back when haths were really cheap, and they saved millions in training costs because of it.

Now they get a full refund + the savings, which way outweighs the loss they get on AL and Scav.

Everyone else get screwed. Understood?

inb4 the ambitious patch removes HentaiVerse and possibly e-hentai itself entirely.

inb4 the ambitious patch replaces HentaiVerse with PonyVerse and e-hentai with equestria-hentai

old joke is old

Well after I read the hath changes the first thing I did was buy Postage Paid. Now I'm to COD my noodles to users who want them without having to solicit them first without consequence.

Of course now I have a conundrum. I now have 162 hath. Do I save up for Crystarium or should I just go ahead and buy Innate Arcana II now?

No, you are pissed off for something which makes no logical sense. This is like throwing a fit that a video game you bought on day 1 for 60 dollars is in the 15 dollar rack a year later. You don't get a refund because someone else is going to get it cheaper. You paid the asking price and benefited as advertised, and will continue to benefit.

Removing Penny Pincher means the people who had that perk can *no longer use it*. That is why they get a refund, because what they bought has been taken away.

To use your game analogy, what's happened with Penny Pincher is that they've bought the game for $60, completed it and then received a full $60 refund. It doesn't matter that they can *no longer use it* if they've already gotten the benefits of it.

The situation is even worse when you consider that many of the people who get Penny Pincher will have bought the hath for just 3000c (which was the price about 2 years ago). Now, having got full benefits out of the perk, they're receiving their hath back with 2.67 times the initial value.

So:
People who bought Penny Pincher have saved tens of millions of credits and got a 267% return on their investment.
People who trained Scavenger lost half their money.

What I object to is the Tenboro's inconsistent handling of the situation. For no discernible reason some people are being rewarded while others are being punished. It's absurd.

For no discernible reason some people are being rewarded while others are being punished.

Capitalism.

To use your game analogy, what's happened with Penny Pincher is that they've bought the game for $60, completed it and then received a full $60 refund. It doesn't matter that they can *no longer use it* if they've already gotten the benefits of it.

The situation is even worse when you consider that many of the people who get Penny Pincher will have bought the hath for just 3000c (which was the price about 2 years ago). Now, having got full benefits out of the perk, they're receiving their hath back with 2.67 times the initial value.

So:
People who bought Penny Pincher have saved tens of millions of credits and got a 267% return on their investment.
People who trained Scavenger lost half their money.

What I object to is the Tenboro's inconsistent handling of the situation. For no discernible reason some people are being rewarded while others are being punished. It's absurd.

Sounds like an analogy for stock market.

You win some, you lose some, and, in the ends, the big boss (Tenboro) always wins

For no discernible reason some people are being rewarded while others are being punished.

Capitalism.

Socialism.

This post has been edited by pentiuminside: Dec 19 2012, 06:07

He's angry because there are people who bought golden handshake back when haths were really cheap, and they saved millions in training costs because of it.

Now they get a full refund + the savings, which way outweighs the loss they get on AL and Scav.

Everyone else get screwed. Understood?

Sounds to me like a case of Extreme Jealousy.

You are not being screwed over. You are just jealous of the fact that someone else can buy something you bought a long time ago for less than you paid a long time ago. Ignore the fact that you have benefited from the skill long before them, and will continue to benefit from it after this patch.


As for the Perk, the perk was actually removed. the people who bought it no longer have the perk. They actually are deserving of a refund because the patch removed something that they had paid for. Maybe some of them got more back than they spent; but maybe there isn't a record of when each person bought it and how much it cost when they bought it.

You aren't being hurt by any of this, you are just jealous that someone else is having something good happen to them and it isn't happening to you.


@TheTomPrince: But if the video game company force patched a game I paid 60 dollars for to stop working permanently I'd certainly want a full refund on it. The difference here is in one case the item is actually taken away, and a refund is therefor given. In the other case, you still get to keep your skill and keep benefiting from it so no refund.

This post has been edited by galdon: Dec 19 2012, 04:56

You get the same amount of crystals per drop. However before every drop was crystals.

In Crysfest I got two or three crystal drops per round. Now I'm getting a crystal drop every two or three rounds. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

You should get slightly less per stamina, but not per round.
The second drop is pretty much what old CF was, so you're halfway there already. Then the first drop is either crystals/something else. Assuming 50/50 on that you'd have 50% more crystals per round but 25% less per stamina, but with other drops in addition. (if I derp'd here somewhere, forgive me, it's early)
The new equipment sell values should make up for that I guess.
Also, no reason for you not to use the shop bot, too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Socialism.

Utilitarianism?

Utilitarianism?

Tenboroism.

Utilitarianism?

Tenboroism?

Tenboroism.

LOL you sniped me

Was there any change to the Downloadable Fonts engine? Most of the options on the right side in the forge are suddenly covered by text.

For those of you who still have healing tokens inexplicibly. I went ahead and made you an icon.

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Oh, now that I think about, one of these icons is redundant now.
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- The "Penny Pincher" series of hath perks were refunded and removed.

So that's where all that hath came from.

So you're not refunding it because of some arbitrary rule you've made up which makes no logical sense?

People who had Penny Pincher get to keep the benefits and get a full refund.
People who trained Scavenger simply get screwed.
Well that's perfectly reasonable!

(IMG:[i.imm.io] http://i.imm.io/PE2x.gif)

To use your game analogy, what's happened with Penny Pincher is that they've bought the game for $60, completed it and then received a full $60 refund. It doesn't matter that they can *no longer use it* if they've already gotten the benefits of it.

The situation is even worse when you consider that many of the people who get Penny Pincher will have bought the hath for just 3000c (which was the price about 2 years ago). Now, having got full benefits out of the perk, they're receiving their hath back with 2.67 times the initial value.

So:
People who bought Penny Pincher have saved tens of millions of credits and got a 267% return on their investment.
People who trained Scavenger lost half their money.

What I object to is the Tenboro's inconsistent handling of the situation. For no discernible reason some people are being rewarded while others are being punished. It's absurd.

(IMG:[i.imm.io] http://i.imm.io/PE2L.gif)

The problem with changing a training instead of simply removing it is that means people will get something different from what they paid for, which they may not necessarily be happy with.

Since when do you care about making us happy? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Still, I actually agree with you, thus my suggestion was mostly to introduce it as a new skill, as you mentioned making some.

Spelunker is good enough of a name as any for the new skill, seeing as how it's not being used anymore. Heck, in ye old days I never trained spelunker anyways because I leveled faster in IW than I could up my equipment, thus fell back to a strategy of buy new equipment suited for my new levels(or hope for good drops) rather than improve my equipment. Today, I'm almost constantly doing IW, hoping to get my elemental weapon to doing void damage. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I wouldn't presume to suggest pricing. I suppose it doesn't matter much whether it's 1% increase a level, 5, 10%, and whether the max bonus ends up being 2-3x the gain over original.

Personally, to go with all the other things, I'd suggest 300% max experience boost, increments not mattering much.

Hey Tenbro, since you removed Spelunker, can you ad a training that decreases the number of rounds needed to complete an Item World run for items? It can max out at 50%. So an item that requires 200 rounds to complete would instead require on 100 rounds but you get the same amount of potency as you would have gotten.

I prefer my idea - yours isn't bad, but it has the side effect of making item worlds easier, yet reduces potential returns as fewer levels = fewer drops, and lower end-point round drop bonuses.

I figure Tenboro wouldn't go for something that makes leveling equipment that much easier. With my idea you still have to complete the whole IW like anybody else, your item just gets more EXP from you doing it.

Removing Penny Pincher means the people who had that perk can *no longer use it*. That is why they get a refund, because what they bought has been taken away.

That and Hath, for whatever reason, is considered a 'premium' currency and those with it get a bit more treatment in it's granting.