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what is the best 1h for a tank build ?

i'm using a club and find stun just too good for crowd control.

but every topic / wiki says i should use a rapier.

my question is why ?

is it really better than a club ?

Why tank? It’s not about survival, it’s about dealing some damage.

1H is defensive, stun is too much (1H stun too with counter attack too).
Rapier debuf the mob => more damage

Why tank? It’s not about survival, it’s about dealing some damage.

He is 14x not 3xx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by cestbienmoi: Dec 29 2015, 01:27

1H is defensive, stun is too much (1H stun too with counter attack too).

sorry but i don't understand what you mean

Alright, for starters: your gear is ridiculously underleveled. Ever thought about changing it or at least soulfuse?

Second, half of your gear gives only 1PAB (primary ability boost), which kinda sucks. If you have similar gear with 2-3PABs, change it already! PABs are working especially well for low-levels.

As for gear: 1h style provides a lot of cc itself and heavy armor gives enough mitigation to survive, so equipping a full (or almost full) set of Slaughter is a good idea. If you're grinding higher difficulties, rapier is better, as it gives more damage bonus due to -75% armor debuff. But if you're rushing normal, an axe or club with good damage roll works fine aswell (plus they're much cheaper to get).

Alright, for starters: your gear is ridiculously underleveled. Ever thought about changing it or at least soulfuse?

Second, half of your gear gives only 1PAB (primary ability boost), which kinda sucks. If you have similar gear with 2-3PABs, change it already! PABs are working especially well for low-levels.

As for gear: 1h style provides a lot of cc itself and heavy armor gives enough mitigation to survive, so equipping a full (or almost full) set of Slaughter is a good idea. If you're grinding higher difficulties, rapier is better, as it gives more damage bonus due to -75% armor debuff. But if you're rushing normal, an axe or club with good damage roll works fine aswell (plus they're much cheaper to get).

Thanks for the tips.

about my gear.. yea.. i know.. but this game just dont give upgrades...

and shop only have lvl 400+ items... that i cant use...

abou the rapier thanks for the info now i see why use it.

75% less armor debuf.

thanks.

Let's go over the choices:

Axe: Best damage, bad defence, pretty simple, good if you want to clear low difficulties (1-2 per monsters) or if you are higher level and you don't need the extra parry (there was a discussion on which weapon is faster between axe or rapier).

Club: Good damage, no parry but stunned enemies cannot attack.
Useful for low level when parry and block are very low, at high level you don't want the enemies to be stunned (what you want is counter-attacks to damage the monsters and gain OC) so it's the crappiest option possible (no parry, bad proc and damage lower than axe).

Rapier: Lowest damage, but with power set the difference is not very high (a non slaughter leg set is ~85 ADB, a full slaughter is >100, Peerless Axe is 75, Peerless Rapier 51, most of the damage always arrives from the armor), good parry.
The real highlight of the rapier is the proc effect, Penetrated Armor is indisputably the best proc in HV, as it increases the damage by a lot.
Apart from low difficulties (when 1-2 hit are needed to kill a monster PA does not really shine) is the best choice.
High level 1H play is pretty much rapier only.

Shortsword: Better than the rapier in every possible way except the proc, and that makes the shortsword inferior.
Could be used as a cheap middle ground choice before switching to rapier.

Wakizashi: DW or Niten only (or 1H mage), bad damage, bad proc, only shines offhand.

This post has been edited by Sapo84: Dec 29 2015, 02:43

Let's go over the choices:

Axe: Best damage, bad defence, pretty simple, good if you want to clear low difficulties (1-2 per monsters) or if you are higher level and you don't need the extra parry (there was a discussion on which weapon is faster between axe or rapier).

Club: Good damage, no parry but stunned enemies cannot attack.
Useful for low level when parry and block are very low, at high level you don't want the enemies to be stunned (what you want is counter-attacks to damage the monsters and gain OC) so it's the crappiest option possible (no parry, bad proc and damage lower than axe).

Rapier: Lowest damage, but with power set the difference is not very high (a non slaughter leg set is ~85 ADB, a full slaughter is >100, Peerless Axe is 75, Peerless Rapier 51, most of the damage always arrives from the armor), good parry.
The real highlight of the rapier is the proc effect, Penetrated Armor is indisputably the best proc in HV, as it increases the damage by a lot.
Apart from low difficulties (when 1-2 hit are needed to kill a monster PA does not really shine) is the best choice.
High level 1H play is pretty much rapier only.

Shortsword: Better than the rapier in every possible way except the proc, and that makes the shortsword inferior.
Could be used as a cheap middle ground choice before switching to rapier.

Wakizashi: DW or Niten only (or 1H mage), bad damage, bad proc, only shine offhand.

thank you very much.

a very constructive post.

you said a club is not bad at low levels. so let me ask.

what level should i aim to go rapier ? the level where club became useless ?


This post has been edited by formigao: Dec 29 2015, 02:34

what level should i aim to go rapier ? the level where club became useless ?

Let's say that past lvl 200 you should definitely abandon the club (maybe even earlier, depends on what you can find, if you can get a good rapier or shortsword go for it).
At level 200 you get 3 counter-attacks, so you should use a weapon with parry and a shield with good block, it will increase the defences (more than the stun from club) and add to your attack.
Between level 200-250 a shortsword is an acceptable choice, but you should start looking for a rapier because when you will want to switch to IWBTH or PFUDOR the rapier will be the most effective weapon.

Let's say that past lvl 200 you should definitely abandon the club (maybe even earlier, depends on what you can find, if you can get a good rapier or shortsword go for it).
At level 200 you get 3 counter-attacks, so you should use a weapon with parry and a shield with good block, it will increase the defences (more than the stun from club) and add to your attack.
Between level 200-250 a shortsword is an acceptable choice, but you should start looking for a rapier because when you will want to switch to IWBTH or PFUDOR the rapier will be the most effective weapon.

thnaks

thank you.

with luck i can get a good only on the next 50 levels.

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unspoken strategy for fast leveling until lv 250

get leather armor.
get estoc.

level up all the way to 250.

then go 1H

after lv 310, you choose.

stay 1H or go mage/

If you want to try things without a big investment, you can borrow equipment from ST-Ru's shop. His loaner inventory is in the third post. It looks like he currently has a nice level 145 magnificent fiery rapier of slaughter available.

Okay, I've searched through my junk pile and found I had some rolls at 14X's.
For, say, 30k credits I can give you a full set of this, this, this, this, this and this.

(Can also add this if you want. All my weapon rolls at this level range were crappy).

Not a good equip, but at least matches with your level if you wanna save soul fragments for something useful.

(If you're okay with this, MM me).

This post has been edited by D.E.D.: Dec 29 2015, 04:10

1H is defensive, stun is too much (1H stun too with counter attack too).
Rapier debuf the mob => more damage
He is 14x not 3xx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I still not reaching 30k+ HP even though my lvl nearly 430 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)