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post Aug 16 2017, 13:46
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Proficiency

- Proficiency has been reworked, and is now based on the amount of experience you gain during battles where a proficiency is used in some way. This should fix the problem where proficiency falls way behind on early levels and caps easily on later levels.

Proficiency experience uses the exact same formula as level experience, but you gain twice the stated number of experience, plus whatever additional bonus you get from the Assimilator proficiency training. All normal bonuses to EXP are included in proficiency EXP.

As before, armor proficiency adds 20% to the gain rate for every armor piece of a given type you wear. For example, wearing all heavy armor gives you 100% Heavy gain rate, while replacing 1 Heavy piece for 1 Light piece would give you 80% Heavy gain rate and 20% Light gain rate.

Using any spell will enable 100% gain rate for the proficiency in question for that round. Similarly, having any auto-casted spell enables 100% gain rate for Supportive proficiency.

The Niten fighting style now gives 50% two-handed and 50% dual-wield proficiency gain.

Base proficiency is now capped at 20% above your current level; for example, at level 300, proficiency caps at 360, while at level 500, proficiency caps at 600.

Note that the changes are mostly internal - proficiency is still listed in increments, and it will still notify you for incremental gains.

- The max level for the Assimilator training was increased to 25.


Monster Lab

The in-game code to prevent generic/facerolled monster names was added. If a monster is flagged, it will show up in red and no longer give any gifts. If it remains flagged for over a month, it will be deactivated and unnamed.

Renaming a monster will remove the flag. It will not retroactively award any gifts that were lost due to being flagged.

The flagging has not begun yet, so this is the last chance to fix such names before gifts start being revoked.


Hath Perks

- A new "Hoarder" series of hath perks were added. These make equipment placed in storage not count towards your equipment limit, up to the number listed on each perk. Note that you can still place more equipment in storage than you have perks for, they will just count towards the usual limit instead.

- The Daemon Duality series of hath perks now go up to Tier 9 (+50% damage).

Note that the cost of some older hath perks will soon be increased to match the increased availability. Buy them now if you want them at the old price.


Misc

- You can now manually type desired item counts in the item shop. The button interactions were also improved, and the negative buttons were removed. You can buy up to 99999 items in one go.

- The base images for the riddlemaster have been cycled. It will also now pull 2-3 bases for every riddle. If you get any that are particularly hard to make out, save it and let me know.

- Stamina restoration will no longer pop up unless you have below 85 stamina.


2017-08-17 Changes

- You will now always gain the proficiency experience for the fighting style you are using, similar to how armor works. This means you will now gain proficiency with staff even without whacking things.

- Base proficiency experience factor was increased from x2 to x4, which would allow you to keep every proficiency at level without any additional trainings.


2017-10-05 Changes

- Dawn experience is now added to all proficiency experiences in the first battle fought after dawn. This is applied without a modifier and does not take proficiency trainings into account; it is only there to prevent dawns from having proficiency fall behind.


2019-02-01 Changes

- Item bot bidding is now blind. This means you can no longer see if anyone else has an active order or what it is. (Not without selling an item, anyway.)
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post Aug 17 2017, 00:27
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Was daily dawn exp included in your calculation for proficiency gain at all, or was the gain rates set without including it?
Also the gain curve now means massive gains per round for profs that are well below level but the curve falls off very quickly. I casted 1 of each spell during pfudor fsm while with my 1h set below are the gains. and my proficiency

You gain 32.869 points of elemental magic proficiency.
You gain 48.047 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
You gain 0.003 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
You gain 85867 EXP!

Elemental 52.640
Divine 334.351
Forbidden 51.908
Deprecating 260.964

The gain curve has already dropped to almost nothing when it gets within 250 levels of me as can be seen with my Deprecating gain, 70 more levels on still 180 below me and it is less than a 1/3 of the gain with no heavy 1h or supportive gained.

As per my previous question re doing only RE with dawn exp you stated this

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Aug 16 2017, 14:23) *

Should fall behind by less. Higher-experience battles will now give more proficiency, relatively, and REs barely gave proficiency before.


But that is just not true, from the numbers seen so far I am I gaining less than 0.001 proficiency per RE as it does not give enough gain per RE to increase each, but even assuming 0.001 gain each pfudor re that is just 0.02 gain per day assuming I play all I can and I was not only gaining far more than 0.02 proficiency per day, but I could easily grind my proficiency back to level doing some arenas and fsm. Now I have zero chance of keeping it anywhere near my level as the gain curve falls of massively.

Here are some more numbers

You gain 0.001 points of heavy armor proficiency.
You gain 0.183 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
You gain 75.528 points of elemental magic proficiency.
You gain 0.011 points of divine magic proficiency.
You gain 0.001 points of one-handed weapon proficiency.
You gain 76.234 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
You gain 0.001 points of supportive magic proficiency.
You gain 3914654 EXP!

So the gain curve is around 11 times higher 180 levels below my current level and at that level gains would still be less than previously.

Some more numbers
You gain 12.036 points of elemental magic proficiency.
You gain 0.009 points of divine magic proficiency.
You gain 12.045 points of forbidden magic proficiency.
You gain 0.118 points of deprecating magic proficiency.
You gain 2542078 EXP!

My current levels
Elemental 140.204
Divine 334.371
Forbidden 140.187
Deprecating 261.265

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QUOTE(teddy.bear @ Aug 16 2017, 18:27) *


The gain curve has already dropped to almost nothing when it gets within 250 levels of me as can be seen with my Deprecating gain, 70 more levels on still 180 below me and it is less than a 1/3 of the gain with no heavy 1h or supportive gained.



I am having the same problem... playing on normal no longer grants me any proficiency in my main skills.

Perhaps it would be better to apply EXP for the whole series rather than individual rounds this would reduce the round issue for both rediculously high level players, and players on lower difficulties.

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QUOTE(its-just-me @ Aug 17 2017, 01:14) *

I am having the same problem... playing on normal no longer grants me any proficiency in my main skills.

because prof gain is related to exp multiplier. and exp multiplier is affected by difficulty, among other things.
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 16 2017, 19:18) *

because prof gain is related to exp multiplier. and exp multiplier is affected by difficulty, among other things.


right but continually getting 0 per round every round means my profs will never increase. and this will only get worst as i level and more exp is required to trigger a 0.001 increase. That not how this works. as i level i would gain proficiency again cause the mobs XP would go up and the requirement stays the same but i wont be able to keep the same level as previous. Basically this change seems to only be helpful for the elites already capable of playing on pfudor. And even some of them are claiming its worst.

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QUOTE(its-just-me @ Aug 16 2017, 17:31) *

right but continually getting 0 per round every round means my profs will never increase. and this will only get worst as i level and more exp is required to trigger a 0.001 increase. That not how this works. as i level i would gain proficiency again cause the mobs XP would go up and the requirement stays the same but i wont be able to keep the same level as previous. Basically this change seems to only be helpful for the elites already capable of playing on pfudor. And even some of them are claiming its worst.

You never gain zero prof if you used it. The prof-exp from multiple round will add together till it makes a 0.001 and then you will be told you gained 0.001 prof.
For example during my PFGF today I got the prof gain notification every 4 rounds like clock work.
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Tenboro   HentaiVerse 0.86   Aug 16 2017, 13:46
teddy.bear   Thanks for the update. As for proficiency, does t...   Aug 16 2017, 14:00
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Scremaz   can we have arrow scrollers on Battle > IW menu...   Aug 16 2017, 14:24
FAhentai   Hi Tenboro: about Base proficiency is now capped...   Aug 16 2017, 14:24
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teddy.bear   Just did a RE, my proficiencies are now .27 above ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:27
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DJNoni   [quote name='Tenboro' post='4925086' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:30
Epion   https://i.ytimg.com/vi/J4klnFuzlDg/maxresdefault.j...   Aug 16 2017, 14:30
DJNoni   New riddles! I answered correctly, of course.   Aug 16 2017, 14:36
Scremaz   [quote name='Tenboro' post='4925055' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:39
teddy.bear   [quote name='Tenboro' post='4925095' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:41
Mao Motomiya   Thank you so much, though I still hope that we cou...   Aug 16 2017, 14:42
Tenboro   [quote name='Scremaz' post='4925102' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:47
its-just-me   Lol was just logging in to complain i somehow got ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:50
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teddy.bear   [quote name='Tenboro' post='4925110' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 14:51
issary   Wow,bigger storage,cool.   Aug 16 2017, 14:56
mozilla browser   At level 500 where we get no more exp, do we get a...   Aug 16 2017, 15:15
Tenboro   To prevent any confusion, I corrected the offset e...   Aug 16 2017, 15:34
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w45451212   [quote name='Mantra64' post='4925191' date='Aug 16...   Aug 16 2017, 16:08
Mantra64   I just a riddle with two Rarity ponies. :blink:   Aug 16 2017, 15:36
teddy.bear   I think the proficiencies are out by a factor of 1...   Aug 16 2017, 15:49
Dead-ed   Well thanks for niten prof. Though heavy spec mits...   Aug 16 2017, 15:51
Tenboro   [quote name='teddy.bear' post='4925174' date='Aug ...   Aug 16 2017, 16:00
chjj30   Still have Question about generic/facerolled monst...   Aug 16 2017, 16:01
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teddy.bear   Proficiency gain for my melee styles below my leve...   Aug 16 2017, 16:17
Tenboro   [quote name='w45451212' post='4925200' date='Aug 1...   Aug 16 2017, 16:17
tecche   The change to Niten is excellent imho but Wil...   Aug 16 2017, 16:20
RoadShoe   And HatH prices are above 7k before I could even g...   Aug 16 2017, 16:28
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teddy.bear   [quote name='Tenboro' post='4925223' date='Aug 16 ...   Aug 16 2017, 16:33
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jcullinane   Proficiency: Did 35 rounds of Divine battle...oh ...   Aug 16 2017, 16:41
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fatemoe   This new proficiency system has huge bug. Before...   Aug 16 2017, 17:03
issary   It'll need about 2,500,000 pfudor rounds to in...   Aug 16 2017, 17:04
Scremaz   quite an interesting reading, yep :ph34r:   Aug 16 2017, 17:17
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jcullinane   Ok so proficiency is pretty much .001 in anything ...   Aug 16 2017, 17:47
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teenyman45   Crud... I missed the super cheap hath window!   Aug 16 2017, 18:43
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Maximum_Joe   Seems any high level player with low profs can do ...   Aug 16 2017, 21:50
GuXs   I went from 40 One-Handed Proficiency to 143 and L...   Aug 16 2017, 21:54
Scremaz   a Hard RE. ~4 Staff and ~4 Elemental prof. well, t...   Aug 16 2017, 21:57
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